1995 Army Team Lead Desk Material - Adds to List Hearing, May 21, 1993 Page: 45 of 222
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69that end up with much less MILCON?
Mt. YELLIN: We have got
another slide on that.
CHAIRMAN CJRTER: Did you
hear that question, Alex?
MR. YELLIN: Yes, sir. That
would eliminate -- why don't we talk through
that?
CHAIRMAN COJRTER: Talk
through that, Rich, if you would.
LTC RICHARDELLA: Yes, sir.
As you can see, EL Toro and Tustin are left
open. Again, Miramar is closed. Now, the key
advantage is one of cost. The construction
costs relative to Wirmar in the scenario
where both helicopters and fixed wing go to
irmar is said by the Mary to be in the
neighborhood of S340 million. The community
from the EL Toro area has come in with rulers
more along the Line of $1.2 biLlion.
COMMISSIONER STUART: For
Mi ruar?sir?
LTC RICHARDELLA: I'm sorry,
COMMISSIONER STUART: That's
the cost they alleged would take up at
Mi ramsr?
LTC RICHARDELLA: Yes, sir, to
bring Wiramar to a minimum acceptable
condition to accommodate the helicopters from
Tustin and the jets from EL Toro.
COMMISSIONER BOWMAN: And to
build housing comparable to what's existing at
El Toro.
MR. YELLIN: It's about half a
billion dollars of that, in round numbers, is
housing. The Wiramar proposal, the DOD
proposal, assumes that people go to San Diego,
and they get into the consolidated Navy and
Marine Corps housing availability, and they
would basically be letting them out in the
commrmi/ty by Living in the community housing,
which is what a lot of people do there now.
COMMISSIONER STUART: But the
validity of those numbers, we can only get
into Later. And it could be done if we were
to consider closing Miramar.
MR. YELLIN: Yes, sir. If we
have Miramar on the plate, then we will be
very actively looking at those numbers very
carefully.
COMMISSIONER BOGHAN: Having
visited Et Toro, I'm very familiar with some
of these alternatives, including some of the
ideas that Rich and I had bounced back and
forth. If you look at the number of arrows on
the Et Toro's zero cost option, first of all,
it has a simplicity that strikes you that the
others don't have. There are many more
arrows, many more transfers, probably other
costs. The key here is twofold.
One is that EL Toro -- I'LL
phrase this as a question, because I don't yet
know the answer. Is El Toro more valuable to
keep open than Miramar? That's the same issue
that comes up on Exhibit 15. It's also
present here. And, of course, as the chairman
points out, this option brings back Tustin.
But what it seems to me is not only are thereless arrows, you avoid-- at least if my
eyesight is as good asitappears to be -- you
avoid the helicopter fixed wing mix problem;
is that correct?
MR. YELLIN: Yes, sir, it is.
COMMISSIONER B AN: So my
question realLy is, there's a Lot of beauty in
this, and is its cost the Lowest cost? Also,
I see the zero up there.
LTC RICHARDELLA: Its key
advantage, Mr. Botmn, was that it could avoid
substantiaLly aLl of the-- pick a rwiber,
1.2 billion or 340 million involved in
getting Mirmar to standards, including
housing.
MR. YELLING: But I think
you've hit on the key issue, though, in
Looking at the relative value of the bases.
And that's why I think we're talking about
potentially addiing Miramar is that it really
requires a lot further study.
COMMISSIONER STUART: We could
take another tck at that. If we were to
consider adding Miramar to the list, we could
then get the bear out of the bushes, so to
speak, and find out what the real numbers
were.
MR. YELLIN: Yes, sir.
MR. BEHRMANN: It has been
presented as a zero cost option. We don't
have numbers.
COMMISSIONER BOWMAN: I don't
think anything is a zero cost option.
MR. BEHRMANN: Not in this
closure, I don't think.
COMMISSIONER BaMAN: But what
we're Looking for is one that meets all the
requirements and is minimal cost or minimum
among its alternative.
MR. YELLIN: One of the things
that we obviously don't have here and that you
get, and when you took at alt the COBRA data
we'll get when we get the scenarios back from
the Navy is, you get information on the
relative operating cost savings of closing a
different mix of things versus the front-end
cost, the ane-time cost, of building these
issues.
Because clearly here, this is
predicated on aNiving things from Hiramar to
Leuoore and FalLon, which do require
significant costs, also.
LTC RICHAROELLA: One final
point with respect to Lemoore. Excuse me,
Miramar. Even though Tustin is approximately
1,500 acres and El Toro 4,700 acres and
Miramar 24,000, what I found on my visit was
that Hiraar is substantially constrained by
environmental factors with respect to
development, andl I have had that subsequently
confirmed by the Fish & Wildlife Service. So
whether or not I t could be expanded as
requi red by the DOD recommendat ion i s a
question at this; point.
CHAIRMN COJRTER: Do you have
any information as to whether Warvy had checked
with Fish & idlife with regard to the
potential envircnmental problem in its
expansion?
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