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is new construction required for these moves,
significant construction.
COMMISSIONER STUART: Thanks.
MR. YELLIM:  Are there any
other questions about the East Coast air
stations?
COMMISSIONER STUART:  Let's go
beck a little bit more on this air traffic
issue.  Somewhere, we have heard a report that
there was a great concentration, a new air
facility being developed in the Oceans area,
because that was one of the more rapidly
growing areas of the country. is that from an
FAA point of view, something as we Look to the
future and make decisions now we should think
about?
MS. KRAUS: Commissioner
Stuart, with the number of aircraft that
they're currently showing going to MAS Oceans
of about 48 S-3s, it's not really a
significant number of aircraft going there.
Additionally, the traffic activity in that
area is busy, it is growing.
But your airway structure is
to the West of Oceans, and their training
field is to the Southeast. Additionally, to
the East are their warning areas, where they
do the most flying. It is a very busy area,
but MAS Oceana itself is, basically, East of
that traffic.
COMMISSIONER STUART: When you
compare it with Cecil Field, the impact is
considerably Less, even though we added more
capacity to Oceans?
MS. KRAUS: I would consider
the impact Less. Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER STUART:  Thank
you.
COMMISSIONER MCPHERSON: Are
there any plans for a large civilian airfield
in the Tidewater area?
MS. KRAUS:  Not that I'm aware
of, sir.
COMMISSIONER MCPHERSON:  I've
seen what may only be a Chamber of Commerce --
COMMISSIONER STUART: We both
saw the same data.
MS. KLAUS:   I can check on
that for you, sir.
MR. SEHRMANN: Mr. McPherson,
it has been called to our attention. Maybe
Mary Ellen just didn't see it yet, and it
might have been somewhat recent data, that
there has been a proposal far out into the
future that they would put some sort of master
airport in the general area. It's future
planning.
CHAIRMAN COUNTER:   Is that by
an authorized group?
MIR. BEHRMAkNN: Mr. Chairman, l
don' t recall l the source, but I 'llI check i t.
CHAIRMAN COURTER: Mty
recollection was it was a Char of Commerce
proposal.
MR. BEHRMqANN:  I be i eve
that's correct. We'll check it.
GEM JOHNSON: Following up on
Commissioner Stuart's comments, just as Oceans

and most of the North-South traffic goes
inland, at Cecil and Jacksonville, most of it
goes offshore rather than on the side Cecil is
on; is that correct?
MS. KRAUS:  Yes, sir,
basically. A lot of the traffic from Cecil
also goes southbound or southwestboxnd
to --
GEM JOHNSON: I'm talking
about the commercial traffic.
MS. KRAUS: Coemercial
traffic? Yes.
GEM JOHNSON: So you have the
same situation at Cecil and Oceans?  One is
inland over the Land at Oceans, and they can
go out to sea; with Cecil, it's offshore, and
when they go to the inland warning areas,
they're okay. When they go out to the ocean,
of course, they have to cross the traffic.
MS. KRAUS: That's correct,
sir.
COMMISSIONER JOHNSON:  Thanks.
CHAIRMAN COURTER: Any other
questions by the Commission with respect to
these Naval air stations on the East Coast?
(No response.)
CHAIRMAN COURTER: What we're
going to do is suspend the voting until
Commissioner Byron is back, and so you can
move to the next category.
MR. YELLIM: Please put up 12
and 13.
This is the West Coast
operational air stations. Currently, you have
Marine Air Station El Toro on the List as a
proposed closure. And we have a redirect
proposed by the Defense Department for Marine
Corps Air Station Tustin for its units being
the receiving location for its units. And we
have also Naval Air Station Miramar as a
potential candidate for consideration.
I would like to leave up the
map and add 14 ,up next to the map, please.
These are the West Coast
recommendations.  I would like Rich to go over
the options here, please.
LTC RICMARDELLA:  If I could
direct your attention to slide 14 first. The
West Coast reccnuendation is fairly involved.
If you wilL Look first at all of the bases on
the left side of the chart, you'll note that
they're alt either closures or realignments
and involve the movement of all the airplanes
away from those bases.
All the other bases reflected
are receivers or realigrnents of aircraft. As
you can see, all. the helicopters from Tustin,
all the aircraft from El Toro, and the two
fighter squadrons from Kanoehe Bay in Hawii
go to Miramar. it becomes a Marine Corps air
station, and all the aircraft that are there
now are sent primarily to MAS Lemoore, with
the remainder going to MAS North Island in San
Diego and NAS Fatllon in Nevada.
Wi th respect to Alameda, allt
aircraft are moved to a combination of NASA
Ames, the old Mcffett Field, and North Island.
MR. TELLINI: lhy don't we put
up 15, also.  Keep the ma  up and put ambr