1995 Army Team Lead Desk Material - Adds to List Hearing, May 21, 1993 Page: 36 of 222
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69talking about probably a total lost of direct
and indirect is a ballpark of about 10,000.
COMMISSIONER MCPHERSON: The
rubber of people working in the yard is about
the same as Mare Island?
MR. YELLIN: Mo. It's quite a
bit less.
COMMISSION NER BOMAN: It's
about two-thirds.
MR. YELLIN: Yes. Charleston
has more people. And Long Beach is the
smltlest shipyard as far as the nuters of
employees right now. And its employment is at
MR. JACKSON: Four thousand,
three hundred and ninety-two civiL ians.
MR. YELLIN: Forty-three
hundred people.
CHAIRMAN COURTER: Now many
dry docks does Long Beach have, and how Large
are they?
MR. JACKSON: Long Beach has
three dry docks.
MR. YELLIN: Three dry docks,
one Large one and two smatter ones.
CHAIRMAN COURTER: And the
smatter ones can do work on what sized
vessels?
MR. JACKSON: They can work on
something up to the size of an LPO, which is a
medium sized amphibious-type vessel. In other
words, they can accommodate suLmarines,
surface ships up to cruisers, and they --
CHAIRMAN COURTER: So they can
handle cruisers?
MR. JACKSON: Yes, sir, they
can.
CHAIRMAN COURTER: But nothing
above cruisers?
MR. JACKSON: Well, "above" is
a relative term when you're talking dry dock
capability, but in term of actuaL ship size
and tonage, they can handle larger ships.
CHAIRMAN COURTER: In the two
smelter dry docks?
MR. JACKSON: Yes, sir.
Right.
COMMISSIONER STUART: But
isn't this an of the scenarios where you
could mothball or you could keep the dry
docks, and there are private operators out
there that are capable of doing a great deal
of this work, which would be maintained in
business, and the ships in many ways, from a
Naval point of view, would be better off being
in San Diego because of crews coming back and
being with their families? Is that a valid
statement?
MR. JACKSON: It is, sir.
There are some ships in the inventory atSa
Diego that are home ported there that carrnot
currently be dry docked by any of the private
comaies there. l'm not sure exactly how
many rumibers of ships that is. You're
probably talking between .n S and 10.
CWINSSIONER STUARr: Well, if
we put Long Beach on the list for
consideration, these are facts we could take a
look at before making a final decision.33
MR. JACKSON: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER BYRON: Let me
ask on the facility at Long Beach, if you were
to bring a carrier in, would you have to do
extensive dredging, or is it capable,
currently, to bring a carrier in?
MR. JACKSON: No, ma'am. The
Port of Long Beach takes care of the dredging
there, and it's dredged to a very, very
sufficient depth.
COMMISSIONER COX: The
difference between the one-time cost by the
Navy and the community is rather large. Have
you Looked at both of those numbers? What are
the major components, and do you have sme
thoughts on who might be right?
MR. JACKSON: Yes, ma'ai. The
study provided by Mare Island asserts that
there are one-time, unique anvi rormentat costs
that would occur only if you closed down that
shipyard. It is a nuclear capable shipyard.
Costs, because they have been filling m
dredge ponds over the years on Mare Is Land
with dredge fill, those would need to be, I
guess, by their agreement with the co.aiity
or the appropriate federal agencies, returned
to their original state before the island
could be vacated.
COMMISSIONER COX: Would that
need to be done whether or not they vacated,
at Least technically?
MR. JACKSON: Mare Island
claims that as tong as you keep the shipyard
there, that you don't need to do that. I
haven't Looked at the law.
MR. YELLIN: That wilL be an
eventual recairement of the Defense Department
to clean that up. Their position is that you
don't have to clean that up if we continue to
operate this as a nuclear shipyard. I'm not
sure how great a distinction the Camission
should make of that over other things that my
not be cleaned up for a period of time if the
services continue to operate.
MR. JACKSON: Also included in
here are some costs for relocating a special
program there known as ocean engineering,
which Mare Island believes were
underest imated.
MR. YELLIN: The Navy did
include costs for relocating that to another
facility, and the community has disputed the
level of those costs.
MR. JACKSON: And they also
feet that the Navy data were insufficient in
looking at the amount of money that would have
to be provided for R[Fs aid trneuployment. And
on initial contact with the Navy's COBRA
analysis folks, it seems that that information
is actually included somewhere else and that
maybe Mare Island community's position on that
may not be real sotrid. But that requires
further investigation.
MqR. YELLIN: But the bulk of
the difference here, though, is in the
difference of opinions on how Jash it would
cost to relocate this one ocean engineering
mission. And the other is this issue of the
environmental cleanup. And 1 think that's the
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