1995 Army Team Lead Desk Material - Adds to List Hearing, May 21, 1993 Page: 30 of 222
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69Larry, you were saying something about getting
the nmbrs on the private side of their
capabilities and capacities. The Chairmen was
asking you, and you said you would have to do
something to make them comparable to the Navy
figures. What would you have to do?
MR. JACKSON: Well, sir, there
are many different ways to measure capacity
for shipyards. There are Lots of different
things that factor into the process. The Navy
has made an assumption as to what constitutes
a direct Labor monday, or the BSEC did. And I
would want to make sure in reviewing the data.
If they were provided by the private sector, l
would want to review those data and ensure
that they were comparable, essentially, that
we were looking apples to apples.
MR. BEHRMANN: Mr. McPherson,
capacity is probably going to be a harder
thing to measure here, but capability and pest
workload packages that have been done in the
private sector in tern of just getting a feel
for what types of capability exist out there,
that's probably going to be much easier for us
to do for you.
MR. JACKSON: And one other
thing, too. I think, clearly, the private
sector desires more work, and, I would say,
can probably handle considerably more work
than they have right now. And that's one
thing that probably the Commission should take
into consideration, is that this nu-ber which
represents zero on this particular chart is
not such a hard number. There's flex there.
GEM JOHNSON: It also implies
one shift a day operation?
MR. JACKSON: I'm sorry, sir.
I couldn't hear you.
GEN JOHNSON: It also implies
one shift a day operation? One shift.
MR. JACKSON: No, sir. Not
exactly. The GAO report did state that there
was one shift, that the Navy looked at
capacity in terms of one eight-hour shift. In
fact, that is not what occurred. The data
call requested that the shipyards provide
information based on their current, at the
time, shift structure. And so, in some cases,
Mare Island jumps to mind. You're Looking at
their capacity as calculated on, basically,
two and-a-half shifts, two shifts.
CHAIRMAN CCXJRTER: So, in
essence, what you're telling us is that, in
some shipyards, it's based on two shifts and
others one and-a-half and others two and-a-
half?
MR. JACKSON: Yes, sir, that's
correct. And the SSEC felt that because you
can aet into almost permutations ad infinitum
on that, they felt that the best ay to go was
to ask the shipyards for what they were doing
wider the current circtanstances.
COMIqM!SS IONER S70MAN: I f they
all answered that way, then you have
uni formi ty, and you don' t have apple es and
oranges, though.
MR. JACKSON: Yes, sir. If
they allt answered under thei r normal sh ift
structure, that's correct, but their normalCOMMISSIONER BYRON: Let me 1
get two points clarified in my mind. Larry,
when you talked about the yards coming in,
some with one shift, some with two, some with
two and-a-half shifts, is that predicated on
the workload, or is some of that predicated on
the fact that they are in, some of them, in
more remote areas, and there just is not the
workforce to support two shifts?
MR. JACKSON: No, -'-.1I
think your first point was more correct. The
workload, especially as Comissioner Boeaan
wilt recognize, when you begin dealing with
submarines, you can only fit so many people on
a submarine at a certain tim. And that type
of workload necessitates a different kind of
shift.
COMMISSIONER BYRON: A
different type of workload. The other
question on the public versus private, 60
versus 40 percent, when that is scored, is it
scored on the appropriation and authorization
process of shipbuilding from DOD? For
example, if you are talking about a nuclear
carrier, which is a 10-year building process,
does that scoring go over a 10-year period, or
is it scored in one year?
If you took at smaller ships,
which the construction process is a shorter
period of time, how is that public versus
private scored?
MR. YELLlN: We don't really
have that information right now. We wilt get
that for you.COMMISSIONER BOMAN: I'i notW
shift structure does not necessarily imply,
Comissioner Johnson stated, one eight-hour
shift a day.
COMMISSIONER BOM14AN: I would
say absolutely not.
Mt. JACKSON: Right.
COMMISSIONER BOW lAM: I would
Like to make a comment on your earlier
question, Chairman, can we quantify the
private capability. I don't know that we
could quantify it to the point that you could
say, "This private yard is better than this
public yard," or compare the capabilities
there.
But I think that we can
collect the information to demonstrate the
capability, the types of work that the
shipyards have done and the quant i t ies that
they have done, which would demonstrate -- and
you may not be able to specifically document
total capability, but you could document
relative capability.
COMMISSIONER 5BOWMAN: 1 just
want to remind the other commissioners that
this same private sector capability exists in
other than Navy. It also exists in Naval
aviation, wheeled vehicles for Army and Marine
Corps jet engines, and things like that.
CCMMSSIONER STUART: You can
be sure, Commissioner Bowamn, we'll be
thinking about that.
COMMISSIONER BOWMAN: Yes,
sir. I know you will. Just a little jog for
the memory.boom*
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