Register of Debates in Congress, Comprising the Leading Debates and Incidents of the Second Session of the Eighteenth Congress Page: 111
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GALES &' SEATON'S REGISTER
H. of R. & Sen.]
Gratitude to Lafayette.—Imprisonment for Debt.
[^Jan. 3, 1825.
which it was acquired. We have only to subjoin an
expression of our gratification in being the organs of
this communication, and of the distinguished personal
respect with which we are, your obedient servants,
SAMUEL SMITH, "> Committee
WM. S. ARC HER,
S. VAN RENSSELAER,
PHILIP S. S1ARKLEY,
Washington, Jan. 1, 1825.
Gknkkaj. Lafayette's Re«.y.
Gentlemen of the Committee o f both Houses of Congress
The immense and unexpected gift, which, in addi-
tion to former and considerable bounties, it has pleased
Congress to confer upon me, calls for the warmest ac-
knowledgments of an old American soldier and adopted
son of the United States—two titles dearer to my heart
than all the treasures of the world.
However proud I am of every sort of obligation re-
ceived from the people of the United States and their
Representatives in Congress, the large extent of this be-
nefaction might have created in my mind feelings of he-
sitation, not inconsistent, I hope, with those of the most
grateful reverence. But the so very kind resolution of
both Houses, delivered by you, gentlemen, in terms of
equal kindness, precludes all other sentiments but those
of the lively and profound gratitude of which, in respect-
fully accepting the munificent tavor, 1 have the honor
to beg you will be the organ.
Permit me,also, gentlemen, to join a tender ofmy af-
fectionate personal thanks to the expression of the high-
est respect, with which I have the honor to be,
Your obedient servant,
Washington, Jan. 1, 1825.
The Senate took up for consideration the bill " for
the relief of Thomas L. Ogden and others," [appropriat-
ing 3,710 dollars to indemnify the petitioners for wood
taken from their lands contiguous to the village of Sack-
ett's Harbor, and consumed by the army of the United
States, during the late war.]
Mr. CHANDLER opposed the hill, on the ground that
the public naval and military establishments, formed at
Sackett's Harbor, by the Government, had imparted a
value to that place, and to the lands in its vicinity, much
greater than the alleged damage done to the petition-
ers; further, that, so far front the use of the limber by
the army, now proposed to be paid for, being an injury,
it was a real benefit to the claimants—as every one knew
who was acquainted with th^ labor of clearing new land;
and that, in tact, the consumption of the wood in ques-
tion, was worth at least ten dollars an acre to the land
from which it was removed.
Mr. UUOULKS and Mr. VAN BUUKN advocated the
justice and equity of the claim. It had twice passed the
House, but had not got. through both Houses for want
of time. The claim was originally for 7,000 dollars, but
had been reduced to the sum now proposed, of $.>,110,
to which the petitioners were fairly entitled, in the opin-
ion of the committee that reported the bill, &c. The
debate continued some time; when,
On motion of Mr. KING, of Alabama, the bill was laid
on the tabic, to give opportunity for a further examina-
tion of the facts of the case.
The Senate, according to the order of the day, pro-
ceeded again to the consideration of the bill abolishing
imprisonment for debt—the motion ol'Mr.CUliB to strike
out tiie following clauses from the first section, viz.
" Hut, after the return thereof, the defendant or de-
fendants may contest, the allegation of the said oaths or
affirmations, before the court ia which the said suit or
action is instituted, in such form as the court shall pre-
scribe- And if the court shall be of opinion that the
said allegations are not well founded, it may make an
order, to be entered on record, discharging the said bail
or security from his or their suretyship;" being still un-
On this motion the debate was resumed and continued
some time. Messrs. JOHNSON, of Kentucky, and BAR-
BOUR opposing the amendment, and Messrs. COBB,
BRANCH, and BROWN, of Ohio, supporting it.
The question on striking out the clauses was finally
decided by yeas and nays, as follows :
YEAS—Messrs. Bell, Brown, Chandler, Clayton, Cobb,
I)'Wolf, Dickerson, Edwards, Elliott, Gaillard, King, of
New York, Lloy!, of Md. Lloyd, of Mass. M'llvaine,
Mills, Noble, Palmer, l'arrott, Ruggles, Seymour, Tho-
NAYS—Messrs. Barbour, Barton, Benton, Bouligny,
Branch, Eaton, Findlay, Holmes, of Me. Jackson, John-
son, of Ky. Johnston, of Lou. King, of Alab. Lanman,
Lowrie, .M'Lean, Macon, Smith, Talbot, Tazewell, Van,
The Senate being equally divided on the question, the
motion was, of course, lost.
Various other amendments, of inferior importance,
were offered to the details of the bill, some of which
succeeded, and others were lost—in the proposition or
discussion of which Messrs. COBB, MILLS, VAN BU-
REN, BROWN of Ohio, and JOHNSON of Ky. took part.
Before the bill was gone through, the Senate ad-
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES—SAME DAY.
Mr. LIVINGSTON, of Lou. offered the following:
" Resolved, That a committee be appointed to consider
and repott on the expediency of establishing an Acade-
my for instruction in those sciences necessary for the
service of the military marine ; with power to report by
bill or otherwise."
Mr. WILLIAMS, of N. C. suggested that it would be
more proper that this resolution should go to the Com-
mittee on Naval Allah's, than to a select committee.
Mr. MERCER, of Va. said, that he had had the honor
of submitting a resolution, similar to that now presented
by the gentleman from Louisiana, at the last session of
Congress; it had been referred to the Committee on Na-
val Affairs, hut, owing, as t.e presumed, to the pressure
of business before that committee, nothing had been
done respecting it till the middle of the session, and it
proved too late to be acted on. He considered no sub-
ject as more important and more worthy of the consid-
eration of the House, than a provision for the instruc-
tion of those who are to uphold the naval glory of the
Mr. FULLER thanked the gentleman from Virginia
for his suggestion to save the time of the Committee on
Naval Affairs, but he could answer llim, that he was
mistaken if lie supposed that the resolution he offered
at the last session had been neglected by that commit-
tee. It had received mature consideration—and the
measure it proposed bad been engrafted in a general
bill for the reorganization of the Navy Department;
but that bill had been pressed out by other business,
and now lay over; he hoped it would receive an early
attention during the preseut session. Believing that
this would be the case, he moved to lay the resolution ou
The SPEAKER decided, that, inasmuch as the sub-
ject-matter of the resolution was before the House in
another form, the resolution was out of order.
Mr. LIVINGSTON inquired, whether the bill, in
which the gentleman from the Committee on Naval Af-
fairs (.Mr. Fuller) had stated this subject as being in-
cluded, did not contain sundry other matters, and wheth-
er, by being thus entangled with matters foreign to
itself, and possibly of doubtful practicability or expedi-
ent', any measure might not be easily, and "forever, de-
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