Register of Debates in Congress, Comprising the Leading Debates and Incidents of the Second Session of the Eighteenth Congress Page: 11
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GALES &1 SE AXON'S REGISTER
Sen. & II. of R. ] Niagara Sufferers—Lafayette— Virginia Claims.
[Dec. 20, 1824.
They then maintained that all these burnings took place
on the ground of retaliation by the enemy; and believing
that ground sufficient to sustain their claims, they pro-
duced ali the proof of it that they could. But as the
House had refused to allow the claims on that ground,
they have now changed their position, and placed their
claims on a different one. Mr. W. wished, for his part,
to examine fully the pretext upon which a re-enactment
of the pernicious law of 1816 was claimed; and with
these views he wished the committee to rise, in order to
have the papers printed.
Mr CAMBKELENG, of New York, said, he hoped
that no delay would be interposed in bringing this sub-
ject before the House—but that they should be called
to act upon it immediately; being persuaded that they
were as fully prepared to do so now, as they would be
at any future time. He expressed his astonishment that,
of all the members of the House, the Chairman of the
Commitee of Claims should profess any want of infor-
mation on this subject—since, from his official situation,
as well as the able and conspicuous share he had had in
former discussions on this matter, he should have sup-
posed him to be better informed of every circumstance
relating to it, than any other person. If permitted to
proceed, Mr. C. said that he should contend that, on the
ground first taken by the claimants, viz. that the injury
their property had sustained was inflicted by the enemy
as a measure of retaliation, their claim was just, inas-
much as it was in retaliation of injuries first indicted on
the enemy by the express order of this government,
through the late Secretary of War, in the burning of the
village of Newark. On this ground, the claim was per-
fectly sustainable; us, also, it would be on the other
ground assumed, viz. that the injuries were sustained in
consequence of the occupation or use of the property
by the United States. If either ground were established,
these claims ought to be allowed.
Mr. WILLIAMS renewed his motion that the commit-
tee rise : but once more suspended it, at the particular
request of Mr. TRACY, who made some explanation in
reply to what Mr. W. had said, as to the disappearance
of the document he had referred to. No public paper
on the subject had been withdrawn, but, on the contrary,
all the papers connected with the general subject, had
been printed with the report of the committee.
The committee then rose, reported progress, and had
leave to sit again ; and on motion of Mr. WILLIAMS,
the papers referred to whilst in committee of the whole,
were ordered to be printed.
IN SENATE—Mosdas, DEC. 20.
A letter was received from the Secretary of War, trans-
mitting a report, made in obedience to a resolution of
the Senate at the last session, of the names of the pen-
sioners at present on the list, the several amounts paid
to each, together with the state to which each belongs;
also, a list of applicants for pension rejected ; a list of
the names of the widows and children of the several pen-
sioners, with the amount paid to them, See.
Mr. NOBLE made a motion that the report and ac-
companying documents be printed.
Mr. I.OWIUE said that, in the year 1820, a report si-
milar to the present was made, ami ordered to be print-
ed the expense of which was very considerable, and a
more useless expense he had never seen. He suggest-
ed 10 the chairman of the Committee of tensions whether
it would not be better to refer it to that committee.
Ml'. NOBLK. said, that the object of tb,e resolution
adopted at the last session, was to have merely a list of
the names of the pensioners furnished to the Senate;
but the object of the present motion was to have the vo-
lume, no matter how large, laid on the table of each
member, that it might serve as a looking-glass in which
to view our follies, but that a list of the names merely
could be of no use whatever to the Senate.
After some further conversation between Messrs.
LOWIUE, NOBLE, and CHANDLER, the motion to
print the documents was lost, and the letter of the Se-
cretary of War alone was ordered to be printed. Subse-
On motion of Mr. MACON, the document was referred
to the Committee on Pensions, with instructions to in-
quire into the expediency of printing it.
V' GENERAL LAFAYETTE.
Mr. HAYNE, from the committee to whom was refer-
red the subject of making provision for Gen. Lafayette,
reported the following bill:
"A BILL making provision for Gen. Lafayette.
" Be it enacted, &c- That the sum of Two Hundred
Thousand dollars be, and the same is hereby, granted to
Major General Lafayette, in compensation for his im-
portant services and expenditures during the American
Revolution, and that, for this purpose, a stock to that
amount be issued in his favor, dated the 4th of July, 1824,
bearing an annual interest of six per cent, payable
quarter yearly, and redeemable on the 31st December,
"Sec. 2. Jind be it further enacted, That one complete
and entire Township of Land be, and the same is hereby,
granted to the said Major General Lafayette, and that
the President of the United States be authorized to cause
the said Township to be located on any of the Public
Lands which remain unsold, and that patents be issued
to General Lafayette for the same."
The bill was twice read, by general consent, and Mr.
HAYNE gave notice that he should move its third read-
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES—same BAT.
Mr. A. STEVENSON, of Virginia, rose to ask the
attention of the House to a subject which was interesting
to Virginia, and merited an early consideration. It re-
lated to the unsatisfied claims of that state, for advances
of money made by her for the use of the General Govern-
ment, during the late war. The subject, Mr. S. said, had
been presented to Congress by the President, in a very
strong message, at the last session ; but, owing to cir-
cumstances unnecessay to mention, had not been acted
on. He wished it taken up, and finally disposed of. It
was proper, however, that he should state to the House
that Virginia would press the payment only of that part
of the claim which related to interest actually paid by her
on moneys borrowed for the use of the General Govern-
ment, and disbursed in its service. He stated this fact, to
prevent any misunderstanding as to the character ^ of the
claim, and the principles which it involved. Of its me-
rits, Mr. S. said, he would not now speak. At a proper
time, he would endeavor to shew to the House that the
claim asserted by Virginia was founded in justice and
authority, and ought to be paid. This, however, he
would say, that, whatever the conduct of other States in
the Union might have been during the late war, there
wus not one who had been more steadfast and disinte-
rested in her services than Virginia, or more loyal in the
devotion of her resources to the general defence. She
now only asked that her claims should be speedily ad-
justed upon fair and just principles.^ This was due as
well to this Government as to Virginia, and with that
view he begged leave to submit the following resolu-
" Resolved, That the Committee on Military Affairs be
instructed to inquire into the propriety of providing by
law for the reimbursement of the amount of interest paid
by the State of Virginia upon loans of money negotiated
by her for the use of the General Government, during
the late war between Great Britain and the United
Mr. HAMILTON, Chairman of the Committee on Mi-
litary Affairs, suggested that, as this was a purely legal
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