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Commission to Eliminate Child Abuse and Neglect Fatalities
October 30, 2015
Commissioner -- is it Rodriguez? Commissioner Rodriguez joined so she's also on now.
Commissioner Rodriguez?
COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ: No, I was just buzzing in to let you know. I don't know why it
didn't register that I'm here, but I've been here.
CHAIRMAN SANDERS: Okay. Commissioner Covington?
COMMISSIONER COVINGTON: Hi. As we proceed this afternoon, I'm a little bit confused about
-- I only have, I think, two documents in front of me and I'm confused about which one is
which. You had talked about talking through it in more detail, chapters two, three and four. I
see chapter one in detail, but I don't see detail on chapters two, three and four.
CHAIRMAN SANDERS: Okay. Amy --
COMMISSIONER COVINGTON: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN SANDERS: -- I think -- Amy, can you comment on that? I sent -- I think everything
went out for all of the -- for the full report. But Amy? Hi. Can you hear me?
AMY TEMPLEMAN: Hello?
CHAIRMAN SANDERS: Yes, go ahead.
AMY TEMPLEMAN: Yes, someone asked a question about documents.
So a week ago today, October 23rd, two documents went out. One of them had chapter one
and the introduction in it and the other one had chapter two, three and four in it. And then
yesterday the detailed outline went out. So right now I will resend all three of those
documents to all commissioners.
CHAIRMAN SANDERS: Commissioner Rubin has joined. And Commissioner Rubin, was there
anything that you wanted to say?
COMMISSIONER RUBIN: Yeah. I mean, I've had the chance to kind of review the -- good
afternoon everyone.
I've had a chance to kind of review and before we get started in the individual
recommendations, I think it gets back to, you know, sort of -- you know, I was trying -- I'm
still trying to feel out what does this next stage look like and how do we arrive at
recommendations. And in my initial reaction just in entirety, was that there were
recommendations being made that hadn't been discussed by the group and to some degree I
don't think reflected the weight of the evidence.
Now, the bright side -- you know, on the bright side, that document that was sent out by
someone on the staff, whoever gave -- if it was a group effort, it was terrific, actually tried
to distill themes and recommendations and listed all of the different groups that provided
evidence.
I know it wasn't comprehensive. There were areas that were missing. Some specific work
around Native American communities, et cetera. But that kind of effort to really kind of
organize the weight of the evidence around the themes we were hearing and allowing that to
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